FW: Rugby Canada

Following a front page story in the Tor. Star re the Canadian women’s team having to pay $2900  to play for Canada in the Nations Cup in Toronto more interesting info and thoughts are attached re the Canadian rugby scene.

 

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From: Charles Schandl [mailto:chuckschandl@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:41 PM
To: S & J Morrison
Cc: Craig Morley; Andrew Terry; kevin bloska; Scott Hume; Nick Parks; KEITH MCINTYRE; Chris Mant
Subject: Re: Rugby Canada

 

Jack, small correction to below. The potential indebtedness arising out of the partnership in the Churchill Cup is not $750,000, it is $1,200,000. As such this could more than double Rugby Canada's deficit position overall.

 

Chuck

 

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Charles Schandl <chuckschandl@gmail.com> wrote:

Jack, feel free to distribute as you see fit. If I may there are a couple of other noteworthy items:

 

1. To provide a more complete picture I decided to have a look at the minutes from the last AGM. For some reason they have not yet been posted even though the meeting was held 4 months ago.

2. I reviewed the minutes from last year's meeting instead to see what discussion and commitment had been made with respect to the financials and Women's rugby. The following are noteworthy:

a) In the AGM minutes there is no mention of financial affairs

b) There is a separate set of minutes for the "Business Session" but there is no mention of financial matters, except one line that says the financials were discussed in a separate "Financial .workshop".

c) There are no minutes from the referenced "Financial workshop"

d) There is a copy of the finance report which essentially just highlights certain items, but concludes with "Rugby Canada will continue to focus on developing sustainable commercial revenue sources combined with tight cost controls around administration and team spending." It seems that the effect of these tight cost controls around administration was to increase them by 11% the following year.

e) The only other financial-related report was for insurance. In that report it appears that a decision has already been taken to make insurance purchase "an administrative rather than a strategic task". Well, I find this interesting because there was another comment in the AGM minutes that there was to be a review of the imbalance between premiums charged and coverage costs. I also found it somewhat shocking given the recent insurance debacle our sport faced when there was no coverage available for a catastrophic claim. I also find it interesting that the board seems to feel that a cost that represents a full 25% of their non-salary discretionary expenses is merely administrative and not strategic. This is simply absurd.

f) In the AGM minutes there are numerous firm commitments to the Women's national team with no mention of how this commitment was to happen. It appears that since then the decision must have been taken to show their commitment by charging each woman $2,900 to play.

g) There is much of the AGM minutes thanking departing board members, introducing new ones, and most heartwarming was an entire section devoted to a discussion of how engraved plaques were given to departing board members.

3. In both the 2009 and 2010 audited financial statement the auditor (BDO) makes a note about Rugby Canada's ownership partnership in the Churchill Cup. It seems RC has a 40% ownership stake. For some reason that is not clear from the note or any AGM minutes I have reviewed, BDO has elected not to reflect the financial status of this ownership stake in Rugby Canada's financial statement. However in both reports it goes on to state that based on "unaudited information provided by management", the Churchill Cup partnership has sustained accumulated losses of $3,000,000 as of Dec '09, and interestingly the loss remains exactly $3,000,000 as of Dec '10 (I find it odd that the amount remains exactly the same despite there having been another tournament during the year). The note goes on to state the loss had to-date been "funded" by the RFU. Well, funded doesn't mean the loss has been assumed by the RFU, it simply means they have fronted the money. Based on the "unaudited information provided by management" it seems Rugby Canada may be indebted a further $750,000 from this partnership. To put this in context, not including this debt Rugby Canada's net worth as of Dec '10 is negative. In fact it is negative $900,000, so this partnership indebtedness could almost double their deficit overall.

4. Nowhere in the AGM or other minutes that are available is there any discussion or even mention of the Churchill Cup partnership indebtedness, so it is impossible to know what Rugby Canada's exposure here is. Also there is no mention in the minutes, nor a report from management, that outlines the "unaudited financial information provided by management" to the auditors. Nor is there any discussion of why this potential indebtedness is not considered by the auditors in their "Going Concern" note to the audited statements. This is not a trivial amount and there should be openness around what our exposure is, and how these accumulated loss amounts are arrived at.

 

Regards,

 

Chuck

 

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:17 PM, S & J Morrison <s.j.morrison@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Chuck,    I believe you’ve provided an excellent in depth review of current concerns relating to the administration of  rugby in Canada by the current Board.   With the Professional  vs. Amateur  status in the senior men’s game it would seem that  Canada would be much more competitive in  women’s rugby, junior rugby and the 7s game.  With 7s now being an Olympic sport funding assistance will come from Govt.  which should enable Canada to run a “professional”  and competitive  7s team on the world circuit.  I also believe the general public will find the 7s game a much more attractive sport to watch than the traditional 15s. which should assist  revenues.

       Another  question I have is where does Canada’s National Men’s Team go after the World Cup.  The Churchill Cup is no more and the top nations (professionals}  will  not be interested in playing Canada in “friendlies”.  No money in it for TV  and sponors.  I’m reminded of the commentator’s comments when Canada played Wales in Cardiff “Why is Canada allowed to play at this level when they obviously cannot compete and are way outclassed?.    It’s embarrassing for the viewers”

  Forty top Canadians playing in Europe or Southern Hemisphere would provide a basis for a competitive team on the international scene. { Like the Pacific Islanders and Argentinians.).    But do we have reason for a national  team other than the World Cup every 4 years.  An IRB  sponsored  “Tier Two”  international competition would be

one way.   Whatever happens there is just no way Professional  rugby is going to be seen in Canada in the foreseeable future.

 

   Chuck,   I’d like to pass on your comments to Rugby Canada and Toronto Star in the interests of  promoting  open discussion.   Your thoughts?

 

 

  Jack

   

 

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From: Charles Schandl [mailto:chuckschandl@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:44 PM
To: S & J Morrison
Cc: Craig Morley; Andrew Terry; kevin bloska; Scott Hume; Nick Parks; KEITH MCINTYRE; Chris Mant
Subject: Rugby Canada

 

Jack,

 

I've attached below a link to a recent news article that is, at least, thought provoking and in my opinion reflective of a significant problem our sport faces administratively. I know you have recently been following and circulating debate around the current state of our sport, and I thought you might find this of interest.

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/article/1031980--female-rugby-stars-won-t-pay-to-play

 

Unfortunately the article is not complete, and possibly not even fair, since the writer makes no effort to link this back to the financial picture of rugby in Canada to evaluate whether or not the position of Rugby Canada as expressed by Graham Brown is defensible. Essentially Mr. Brown deflects the criticism to the IRB for funding women's rugby at a far lower rate than men's, saying that without more IRB funding Rugby Canada's hands are tied. I've had a look at Rugby Canada's 2010 financial statements to see what the picture is and whether or not their statements in this article are, in fact, reasonable. Now, you have circulated other commentaries on the financials earlier and the point has been made in rebuttal, I think reasonably, that comparisons to other national rugby unions or sports is unfair. As such I have just looked at the Rugby Canada financial statement in isolation, and as it relates to their stated mandate (which can be debated but for the purpose of this exercise is accepted), and with no comparison to other countries or other sports.

 

Based on this article it appears each team member is being charged $2,900. Assuming 30 team members this translates to a revenue stream to Rugby Canada of $87,000. So for this narrow issue, the question really is should Rugby Canada be able to find $87,000 themselves without charging the players.

 

There are a number of noteworthy items in the 2010 financials, and when compared to 2009:

 

1. External (IRB and Government) funding dropped in 2010 by about $300,000. Not including a non-recurring item it seems commendable that Rugby Canada was able to make up that shortfall entirely through their own revenue stream. However when you look more carefully this is deceptive.

2. Of the internal increase in revenue, $125,000 is fundraising. Unfortunately the expenses for fundraising also went up by $125,000 so there is no real increase in net fundraising income.

3. The balance, $200,000, is an increase in National Teams revenue. And in fact, the picture gets brighter because Rugby Canada expenses (contribution to the national teams) dropped by $150,000. As such the net effect is they have generated an additional $350,000 from the National Teams in net income. This seems very commendable until you realize that likely a significant portion of revenue from these national teams is the very fees charged to national players that the news article talks about.

4. Not including non-recurring items, the overall expenses for Rugby Canada are roughly flat in 2010 from 2009. Again, commendable expense control on the face of it. Unfortunately this masks the fact that in order to control these expenses Rugby Canada decreased their direct contributions to domestic competitions, development programs and the like by $150,000. When combined with their decreased direct contributions to the National Teams, this accounts for their $300,000 in reduced outlays.

5. In the meantime, year over year Rugby Canada increased their expenses associated with "National Office and general administration" by $50,000, or 11%. At the same time in 2010 they spent $70,000 on "Board of Directors and planning meetings". Between General Administration and Board and planning meetings, Rugby Canada spent $600,000 in 2010.  

6. The General Administration costs are on top of "Staff Salaries" which account for an additional $845,000 in 2010 and when combined with administration the total is some $1,445,000 for 2010. Unfortunately in 2010 their entire discretionary spend on domestic rugby, development and the like was only $1,180,000.

7. Of further interest are the Insurance revenues and expenses. Over the 2 years ('09 and '10) Rugby Canada has pocketed $350,000 of net income (in other words they collected $350,000 more than they had to pay the insurance companies for coverage), or an average of $175,000 per year. This translates to them taking an effective group commission of about 18% of our insurance premiums. Now my experience in the insurance industry (and Jack I think your broad experience will support this) is that effective commissions to group entities is usually something like 5% to the group itself for general expenses. So, effectively Rugby Canada is pocketing a windfall of 13%, or about $125,000 per year, on the insurance premiums they charge registered players.

 

Based on the above, I have some suggestions for Mr. Brown to help fund the Women's National side and to ensure that our best players actually play (surely this is the point of a national side, and in line with the stated purpose of Rugby Canada). Essentially he needs to come up with $87,000 to avoid any of the Women's National team having to "pay-to-play":

 

A) Cut your General Administration costs back by the amount they increased last year. In the world at large flat administrative budgeting (as opposed to your 11% increase) has been the norm for some time now, so this should be easily achievable. Net benefit: $50,000

 

B)  Decrease your expenses associated with fundraising. Currently the expenses associated with fundraising are $173K against revenue of $246K, or a staggering 70%! Just reducing the expense rate to 50% which is still high (perhaps fewer canapes and drinkies for Board members on Gala nights might help do the trick) generates an additional $50,000

 

C) Decrease costs associated with Board meetings by 50%. I can suggest some new technology called "conference calling" that might defray the costs of business class tickets and downtown Vancouver hotels (of course the savings would be somewhat less if everyone already just flies economy; perhaps you can let us know the board's policy on this). This generates an additional $35,000. 

 

D) Contribute back 50% of your windfall on insurance premiums for an additional $65,000. I would suggest the other 50% be given back in the way of reduced premiums for players. At the current high premium costs for players vs. other sports, there can be little doubt that at least some people are turning away from rugby. If we can bring these premiums down it will help attract more players, thereby generating more membership dues for Rugby Canada. At worst this will be a financial wash, and more likely the increase in player base will actually be a net financial benefit (supply side/trickle down economics, even consistent with Keynesian macroeconomic theory, so I think you're covered on all fronts).

 

E) Take a serious look at your mandate and decide whether it is to support "Staff Salaries" and "General Administration" or is it to support the development of a national rugby plan through donation, development and the like. The direct expenses associated with the national team are essentially a wash against revenue received from outside sources (IRB and Government) so we need to look to the other revenue and expense items that are at the discretion of Rugby Canada. As per point # 6 above you currently spend $245,000 more on salaries and admin than on donations and development. This is ridiculous. In 2009 you spent slightly more on development, etc than salaries and admin (about $25,000 more). Frankly it is still ridiculous to even spend as much, however when you spend more on the one item than another I'm afraid that means your mandate is changing away from the lesser spend (supporting national team rugby development) to the greater spend (supporting your salaries and administration costs). You should have a firm commitment, even a governing rule, that you cannot spend more on salaries and admin than on development, etc. This means that with this mandate you should have half of the overspend immediately available to you, or about an additional $125,000. With even moderately effective cost controls you should be able increase this to the full amount of the overspend by next year, the full $245,000.

 

With these very modest steps we total $325,000 (more next year) that should be immediately available to support our Women's National side at the Nations Cup. They only need $87,000 to stop this absurd pay-to-play policy, so that leaves a balance of about $240,000. Now in the article attached above Mr. Brown also mentions in passing that the National Under 20's side recently had to pay $4,100 each to play. I for one had to pull out my handkerchief in sympathy with his tough situation when he says that Rugby Canada's decision to charge these young players, who represent the future of our national program, was "tough to talk to parents about". Well, I am very pleased to tell him that with the $240,000 that is left over he can make lots of cheerful calls to parents and tell them they're getting their money back, since that will only cost about $123,000. 

 

This still leaves us with about $115,000 left over from our modest cost saving suggestions. I suggest it be put aside in a fund, to be called upon the next time a young national player misses the chance to contribute to our national side because his parents can't afford Mr. Brown's pay-to-play fee, or our Women's National side can't field our strongest team at the Nations Cup.

 

We can, and should, debate what the true mandate of Rugby Canada is and should be-this is healthy. We can, and should, debate how our national teams and their players are supported, and the realities of playing on a stage of professionals vs. amateurs-this too is healthy. I may not fully agree with the positions taken by Rugby Canada, but at the end of the day they are our representatives of the sport and so I accept that their mandate and directors are a representation of the view held by the largest portion of the Canadian rugby community. 

 

What I find unacceptable, and even unconscionable, is a state of affairs where Rugby Canada:

1. Uses more of its discretionary spend to administer the mandate than to fulfill it, thereby charging fees and premiums that serve to block new entrants to the sport; 

2. Has created a financial situation and allocation that favors administrative and Board expenses over paying for our Nations Cup playing shirts (players have to pay for their own jerseys it seems), resulting in national level players unwilling or unable to play for their respective national teams; and

3. Has a Board that rationalizes these failures by blaming IRB contributions rather than getting their own house in order and actually doing something about the absurdity of charging the national players exorbitant fees for the right to play for Canada. Accomplishment and not deflection is what is required from leaders of an organization.

 

I have heard much in recent years from Rugby Canada about the need to build professionalism in their organization to achieve success. This is commendable, but needs to be balanced against the existing problems as reflected in the attached news article and their financial decisions. The Rugby Canada Board is accountable to manage their mandate. On the face of it they are failing, and in a way that I believe hurts not just the national teams, but spills over and damages rugby at a grass roots level. They should either take immediate measurable steps to address this or resign; there are no other options at this stage.

 

Yours,

 

Chuck Schandl

Club Captain

Toronto XL's RFC

 

 

 

 

 

 

TOUCH TONIGHT

Ladies and gentlemen, I have been asked to let everyone know that although we have a game tonight in Oakville; there is touch tonight in Burlington.

GAME TONIGHT

Folks, just a reminder of our game tonight at the Cru.  Kickoff is at 7pm.  This is the only game this week, with it being a long weekend.   Da Thug

FW: Live August Tests starting Aug 6

 

 

Good morning folks, the World Cup of Rugby is just around the corner and there are International games to be seen.

I am pleased to announce that the August Home Nations pre-World Cup Tests will be shown live at the Burlington Centaurs clubhouse. please see the schedule below.

Admission will be $10.00 per day with the following exceptions:

Ontario Blues Premium Season Pass holders - Free

Ontario Blues General Season Pass holders - $5.00

Aug. 27 Blues vs Wolfpack ticket holders - $7.50

For Ontario Blues Season Pass & Ticket information  contact Barry Goldberg bgoldberg1@cogeco.ca

 

 

INTERNATIONAL RUGBY TESTS

Aug. 6 England vs Wales 9:30 am (live)

Aug. 6 Ireland vs Scotland 11:00am(tape delay)

Aug. 13 Wales vs England 9:30 am

Aug. 13 France vs Ireland 2:45 pm

Aug. 20 Wales vs Argentina 9:30 am

Aug. 20 Ireland vs France 12 pm

Aug. 27 Ireland vs England 9:30 am

FW: Saturday is a RUGBY Day

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Goldberg [mailto:bgoldberg1@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:46 AM
To: Craig Morley
Subject: Saturday is a RUGBY Day

Craig please forward

Rugby enthusiasts,

This saturday sees a full day of rugby at Sherwood Forest Park as all Sr
sides are once again at home.

All sr men teams are playing for playoff positions. The 3rd XV are kicking
off against St. Kitts and a playoff birth is riding on the outcome of this
game.

At 12 the lady Centaurs begin a Highland opposition trifecta, with the 2ndXV
and 1st XV following at 1:30 and 3:00.

But don't leave just yet!

At 4:30 the Regions select U20's, Niagara Thunder, will play the Quebec
U20's in 3rd round play of the National U20 Championships.

Add to that, the hospitality of our sponsor the Dickens Pub providing
refreshments and fare, you've got a great day of rugby!

Also, don't forget to get your season pass for the upcoming Ontario Blues
fixtures at Sherwood Forest Park. The first game is on Aug. 7 vs the Canada
Coaches XV. Come out and support our World Cup athletes and provinces
finest.

For ticket information please contact Barry Goldberg at bgoldberg1@cogeco.ca

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NOBS WORLD

Good morning rugby fans, all over the Nobs World.  Hot enough for you?  Things will be heating up as Pablo Malacara [who turned 49 last Wednesday] and his band of gypsies; The Muddy York come to town Sunday.  Kickoff is 1pm in Burlington.  Touch will be run in Burlington as usual at 1pm.  Next Thursday we have a fixture in Oakville with the Crusader’s 4^th.  Kickoff is 7pm.   With next weekend being the Civic Holiday there is no game but touch will be on in Burlington at 1pm.  Saturday August 6^th we will be hosting Ottawa, kickoff is TBA.  The weekend of August, 12^th, 13^th & 14^th looks to be a busy one.  On the 12^th it is the 2^nd leg of our soccer series.  If you haven’t let Mel know your intentions, please do. mcrossfield@cogeco.ca  On the 13^th another Saturday we will be taking on the Burlington Alumni squad.  Kickoff TBA.  Last but not least is our annual cricket match; all are invited to join in.  Larry Doyle will have more details as the event draws closer.   Don’t forget golf on August 20^th and on August the 27^th we will be off to Ottawa.  See you on the pitch, Da Thug

FW: DRAGON BOAT TEAM -AUGUST 14

Please see the note below from Desmond Jordan.
Thank you.
Chris

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From: Desmond Jordan desmond@sylvan2learn.com
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:27:21 -0400
To: bgoldberg1@cogeco.ca, john.truman@sympatico.ca, Nick_Manz@toyota.ca,
cmant@cogeco.ca, ckelly13@sympatico.ca, ali8@hotmail.com,
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sylvanportcredit@gmail.com, sylvanoakville@gmail.com, slam1331@hotmail.com
Subject: DRAGON BOAT TEAM -AUGUST 14

Dear Friends,

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE DRAGON BOAT TEAM THIS
YEAR. THE DATE IS SUNDAY AUG 14.

I NEED A FIRM COMMITMENT AND PAYMENT FROM 25 PEOPLE BEFORE WE CAN PROCEED.
MANY HAVE SHOWN INTEREST OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS SO I DECIDED WE SHOULD TRY
TO PUT TOGETHER AT LEAST ONE CREW-BUT I NEED YOUR HELP.

IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS EMAIL DIRECTLY FROM ME PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS TO
YOUR WIDEST 'FRIENDS OF RUGBY/DRAGON BOAT' EMAIL DISTRIBUTION LIST AND
ENCOURAGE INTERESTED PARTIES TO EMAIL ME BACK AT desmond@sylvan2learn.com OR
CALL ME ON MY CELL 905 616 9084.

IF I GET ENOUGH IMMEDIATE RESPONSE THEN I WILL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR FOLKS
TO BE ABLE TO PAY ME THROUGH PAYPAL AND THEN ARRANGE THE PRACTICE SESSIONS
FOR EARLY AUGUST . THE COST IS $45 PER PARTICIPANT AS BEFORE AND INCLUDES
RACE DAY, ENTRY TO KELSO AND TWO PRACICE SESSION ON THE BEAUTIFUL 15 MILE
CREEK.

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS THE DAY AFTER THE CENTAURS PIG ROAST -SO A GREAT WAY TO
CLEAR YOUR HEAD . IT IS ALSO THE SAME DAY AS NOBS CRICKET MATCH. I WILL
ARRANGE FOR AS LATE A FIRST RACE AS I CAN TO GIVE YOU ALL TIME TO GET THERE.
PLEASE SUPPORT THIS FUN AND WORTHWHILE CHARITY EVENT THAT SPECIFICALLY
RAISES MONEY FOR HALTON'S CHILDRENS' AID SOCIETY AND OTHER ROTARY SUPPORTED
CHARITIES.

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FW: NOBs vs. BOTSC II

Ladies and gentlemen, here is a note from our soccer committee.  Our second leg is to be August 12^th.  There has been a change of venue for the game.  Instead of playing at Sherwood G; we will now be using the rugby pitch.  Mel Crossfield will be assembling the squad so please let him know your intentions. melcrossfield@cogeco.ca  Da Thug

 

From: John Guilfoyle [mailto:johnguilfoyle99@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:08 AM
To: Craig Morley; Mel Crossfield
Subject: NOBs vs BOTSC II

 

Gentlemen:

 

At the last soccer game, I made the offer to John Davies and his team that we play the second game at the rugby field. They like the idea, it's closer, it's different (I think it helps us!).

 

Anyway they confirmed yesterday that they have cancelled Sherwood G for August 12, so we will be playing on the rugby field.

 

Craig, would you please remind members about the game, the field change and that Mel is waiting to hear from them?

 

Thanks,

 

John

FW: Posters and Press release

 

Folks there is some very important information enclosed from the Burlington Centaurs on the upcoming Ontario Blues and International contests.  Please take the time to check them out.  Da Thug

From: Barry Goldberg [mailto:bgoldberg1@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:24 AM
To: 'Craig Morley'
Subject: Fw: Posters and Press release

please distribute

 

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Barry Goldberg

Burlington Centaurs Rugby Football Club
P.O. Box 62094, Burlington Mall Postal Outlet
Burlington, Ontario  L7R 4K2 
(Club)    905-333-0940
(Home)  905-331-2036

(Mobile) 905-320-0970

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REFEREE FOR THIS WEEKEND

Good morning folks.  We are turning to the Nobs community in hope that we can get a referee for this Sundays game against the Muddy York in Burlington.  Game time is 1pm.  If you can referee or give us a lead on one we would appreciate it.   There is currently a shortage of referees available.  Thanks’, Da Thug

Need a Certified Ref for Sunday

Hi All,

We are in need of a certified ref for our game this Sunday July 24 at Burlington at 1pm.

Please email me if you are available to take on the challenge.

Thank you.

Chris

Car Pooling for Markham tomorrow 11:30am

Hi All,

We will be leaving Burlington clubhouse at 11:30am for what I expect will be a superb day of rugby on Sunday.

Cheers

chris

NOBS WORLD

Good afternoon rugby fans all across the Nobs World.  Just another reminder of the fixture this Sunday in Markham at 1pm.  For those of you who can’t make it to Markham, there is touching going on in Burlington at 1pm.  Something for everyone.  Below is a photos from the XL’S fixture last Sunday.

Fw: Centaurs Triple Header - THIS Saturday

Hi All,
There is a superb line-up for this Saturday for a long-awaited return to
Burlington. Make the time to come on out to support our club and enjoy the
game, fellowship and quality rugby.
See you at the pitch.
Cheers
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Manz " <manz_nick@hotmail.com>
To: <cmant@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:40 PM
Subject: Centaurs Triple Header - THIS Saturday

Gentlemen,

This Saturday the Burlington Centaurs return home after a 5 week road trip.

Come out and support the boys as they take the field for battle.

The Dickens will be providing a great concession stand during the game and
there will be a Beer Garden at field level for everyone to enjoy.

Bring the wife and family out to enjoy a great day of rugby in the sun.

Cheers

Nick Manz
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

FW: Rugby night out!

Good afternoon rugby fans.  Mark Winokur has sent us an invitation to join the Ontario Blue’s and Storm in a meet and greet fundraising event.  The date is Saturday July 23^rd.  Mark has enclosed a poster for this worthwhile event.  Da Thug

 

From: mark winokur [mailto:arcbluesmgr@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 3:16 PM
To: 'mark winokur'
Subject: Rugby night out!
Importance: High

 

All

 

See attached for details of a great rugby night out; proceeds go to the teams and it should be fun; more so if you can attend!

 

Cheers

 

mw

FW: Ottawa Senators at Saranac

Good morning folks.  We have received an email from Dan Kline of the Ottawa Senators.  They are looking for players player’s to join them on the Civic holiday weekend in Saranac Lake.  If you’re interested, you can reach Dan at dkline5110@rogers.com  Craig

 

From: DAN KLINE [mailto:dkline5110@rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:19 PM
To: fixtures@nobsrfc.com
Cc: Bill Hourston
Subject: Ottawa Senators at Saranac

 

Hi Peter....got your email address from your website.   I'm putting a roster together to compete at the Saranac Lake tourney July 29-31 in the over 45 division.  It will be pretty competitive, even with the Myths and Legends not in it this year.  You're probably aware of the format, but in case you aren't, there's 2-3 games on the Friday, with finals and consolation finals on the Sunday.     Your guys are welcome to join us, and if there's interest the sooner I know the better (for purposes of recruiting/getting hotels....).   I plan to contact some other clubs (Belleville, Peterborough, Amoskeag ....Bill Hourston has already contacted Kingston) until I get commitment from 25 or so guys.   Anyway, if you can get the word out, that would be great....if someone is one or two years shy I don't think it's a big deal....I don't expect to win, just to compete as well as possible.   On another note, I saw you guys play the last two years in Lauderdale and thought you all did an exceptional job! Cheers Dan Kline Ottawa

 

GAME THIS SUNDAY

There’s another big game coming up this Sunday in Markham as the Toronto Scottish Old boys take on the Gray Hares.   Were all invited, in fact encouraged to come out and take part what looks like to be a good game.  Kickoff is 1pm, you don’t want to miss this.  See you in Markham, Da Thug.

 

From: Jason Importance: High

 

Gents if you could possibly forward this on to your Members.
This is an open invite to you all to join the game against the Scottish Old boys this Sunday

Cheers

Jason


Gents,
We have a big game at home this Sunday:

Toronto Scottish Old Boys V Grey Hares/Paws 13:00 Kickoff at Markham

For those of you who played against them at the Beach 2 weeks you can all attest we had a fantastic game against them.

Here is a great opportunity to promote old boys Rugby and show the Scottish that old boys Rugby is alive and well.
Hopefully we can convince them to put out an old boys team on a more regular basis.

Lets rally round and put out a good strong team together this weekend and play a great game of Rugby against some new faces.

Cheers

Jason

Markham Grey Hares Rugby

Car Pooling for Brampton

Hi All,

For those heading to Brampton today, we are car pooling from the Burlington clubhouse leaving at 11:45.

Hope to see you out for another great day.

Cheers

Chris

RE: Rugby Canada looks for feedback about rugby development

Some interesting thoughts Joe.   We at the NOBs  took issue with Rugby Canada re the insurance program which I still feel out of line particularly for Old Boys and mini non contact rugby especially bearing in mind the $50,000  deductible.  The home insurance of  an old boy or the parent of a mini provides better individual protection than the Rugby Canada coverage. And everyone with personal home coverage should be aware that if they ( or a youngster living at home) is named in a lawsuit then the Rugby Canada insurers will insist that you’re coverage is brought in to the action under the contribution clause that is part of  all Liability policies.

    I also agree with your comments re Rugby Canada’s mandate being only the National team.    I wish Canada all the best in the World Cup but in my opinion amateurs playing professionals makes a mockery of the sport and professional rugby in Canada is not on the cards in the foreseeable future.  I don’t believe the general Canadian public is prepared to pay to watch the game in Canada.   I believe support for grass roots rugby is more important and in the long run will be better for the game in this country.  

   To compete in the World Cup we need at least 35 to 40 players playing professionally in Europe or the Southern Hemisphere.  The IRB  might also consider a two tier cup, one for Pros and one for Amateurs.

   With  the 7s game now being part of the Olympics it would seem that Rugby Canada would be much better rewarded concentrating on the annual 7s World Cup which is a more level playing field,  a more entertaining game for  “non-rugby”  spectators and will almost certainly  obtain better funding opportunities from Govt. sources.

 

       Jack Morrison.     Nobs Rugby

 

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From: Joe Ventresca [mailto:joeventresca@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:46 PM
To: general@nobsrfc.com; S &amp; J Morrison
Subject: Fw: Rugby Canada looks for feedback about rugby development

 

 

 

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Subject: Rugby Canada looks for feedback about rugby development

To Rugby Canada,
I recently read the article on your web site titled "Fixing Canadian Soccer - A call to action" and you asked for the readers opinions about how it could relate to Rugby in our country. A few thoughts came to mind, in March of 2010 I watched the Rugby Canada AGM on line and was disappointed to hear that Rugby Canada would only look after the tip of the pyramid. I do understand that the National age grade and senior teams are your priorities but, I look to USA rugby and am amazed that they are not only looking after the tip of the pyramid but, setting the course for the bottom of it as well. Their progressive packaging of youth rugby has been fantastic. Their "Rookie Rugby" program sets out a clear pathway for rugby players from 4 to 14 years old. Also, they have produced on line coaching resources and certification for rookie rugby. There are clear instructions on how to develop a youth rugby program and what procedures you must follow. They have even merchandised their youth rugby program with t-shirts, stickers and birthday cards. These items make youth rugby more organized and professional looking to parents and kids, something we don't always see in Canada. As well, USA rugby has office staff who are dedicated to developing youth rugby and can offer further guidance to a club, parent, player or community organization. If Rugby Canada could take the lead and develop a support system for youth rugby that would be amazing.
 
Building the base is the next item that comes to mind. I have been pleased that you have begun to lower the costs for minor rugby players in Canada. In Ontario, with the combined provincial and national dues minor rugby players must pay to those groups are $45.00. Not bad. USA rugby has the youth rate at $5.00, but that does not include any insurance. If we could get the $45.00 rate down to $25.00 that will help attract more players to the game. Even if the club added field rentals and a soccer style uniform to the mix that would bring it to about
$65. The lower the cost, the more kids we attract. Also the Rugby Canada and Ontario fees for coaches $133 and Board member $88 is too much. This cost downloaded on a developing minor rugby club can be crippling. I know, it happened to my youth rugby club so we left Rugby Canada and got our own insurance. Much cheaper and our numbers grew from 10 players to 130 players in one year.
 
In the article it talked about too much of an emphasis placed on winning and not on skills. I agree and feel this is also in rugby as well. In Niagara Flag Rugby's league we don't keep score or hand out trophies. We play for fun and try to teach the kids the skills and ethos of rugby. Our players love the relaxed atmosphere and the camaraderie that this approach takes.
 
Canadian rugby unions and clubs should rethink how they operate minor rugby. Instead of club centric perhaps they should be encouraged to look at the RFU or Morristown Rugby club models. Have a central board of directors that organizes the local league and then places coaches in the selected geographic areas. Take the responsibility away from existing rugby clubs and create youth rugby regional programs. Morris County in the USA does this and now has over 1000 children participating, Niagara Flag Rugby does this as well. This frame work takes the burden off of the volunteers at  the adult rugby club and creates a new level of volunteer that will become part of the rugby culture and that is the parent. I found that I have more sponsors using a regional approach and more volunteer coaches, board members and managers then I ever did with one financially burdened club associated with Rugby Canada.
 
I hope these ideas help. I believe that if Rugby Canada does not set out a direction for the base and take the lead then not only will the rest of the world pass the senior men's team by but so will USA Rugby and very soon.
 
 I also CC'd in some of my fellow flag rugby coaches and volunteers so they could also comment.

Caleb Smith
President
Niagara Flag Rugby

 

FW: [LTRugby] FINAL 30 MAN SQUAD NAMED FOR RWC

CANADA”S   WORLD CUP SQUAD.   {Note 3 Oakville Crusaders included}

 

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Friday, July 8, 2011 - Submitted by By Tom Kennedy for Rugby Canada

Rugby Canada has taken another step on its road to the 2011 Rugby World Cup with the naming of its 30-man squad for the tournament. The squad will be led by captain Pat Riordan, a veteran of the team with 37 caps over nine years, and vice-captain Ander Monro. Head coach Kieran Crowley says the selections, made by himself and assistant coach Geraint John, were the result of ongoing evaluations and took into consideration individual skills and positional coverage. “It's been an exhaustive process that we really started three years ago,” Crowley said. “We used everything at our disposal to get where we have and it's probably the first time since I've been here that we've been able to take Canada's best team.” Positionally, Crowley has opted for 16 forwards and 14 backs. While all positions were considered in detail, Crowley said there was a lot of discussion around the loose forwards. “There's a lot of things that come into it like form, versatility and contributions,” he said. In the forward pack, Crowley has opted for five props, two hookers, three locks and six loose forwards. The front row is made up mostly of members of the BC Bears and Prairie Wolf Pack, with props Hubert Buydens, Scott Franklin, Jason Marshall, Andrew Tiedemann and Frank Walsh. “You always need two specialist tight-heads and someone who can cover both and Tiedemann can do that,” Crowley said. Captain Riordan and Bears' hooker Ryan Hamilton make up the remainder of the front row, with Marshall also able to fill in at the Number 2 slot. The second row sees 2011 Churchill Cup squad members Brian Erichsen, Tyler Hotson and Jamie Cudmore reunite, with the latter two bringing their professional experience from clubs Plymouth Albion and ASM Clermont Auvergne respectively. Aaron Carpenter leads the back row in terms of caps, with 36, and is joined by Nanyak Dala, Adam Kleeberger, Jeremy Kyne, Chauncey O'Toole and Jebb Sinclair. “One of the biggest factors in those selections is we need two Number 7s in any game and we have O'Toole, Kleeberger and Dala that can all play 7,” Crowley said. “The addition of Jeremy Kyne is from a skills and attributes perspective, we needed an explosive players and a good ball carrier and he fits that role.” The back-line selections feature three scrum halfs, two fly halfs, four centres, three wings and two fullbacks. Crowley has three specialist scrum halfs in veteran Ed Fairhurst, Esher's Jamie Mackenzie and Sean White. At fly half, vice captain Monro is joined by Nathan Hirayama, who despite being 23 is going to his second World Cup. In the centres, Ryan Smith leads in experience with 45 caps and is joined by the youthful injections of Conor Trainor, Phil Mackenzie and Mike Scholz. The wing and fullback positions are covered by a versatile group of players in Canada's second-highest points scorer ever, James Pritchard, DTH van der Merwe, Ciaran Hearn, young-gun Taylor Paris and Matt Evans. Crowley also considers Evans an option at fly half. The Canadian squad features a combined total of 441 caps and seven professional players. The bulk of the squad plays its highest level in the Canadian Rugby Championship. Of the CRC selections, the BC Bears feature heavily with nine players, while five Prairie Wolf Pack players were selected, along with four from The Rock of the Atlantic provinces and four Ontario Blues men. The squad also features a wide age range with Walsh the oldest at 35 years old and Paris the youngest, who turns 19 on Sunday. “A lot of these players will be available for the next World Cup,” Crowley said. “Youth brings excitement, but you've also got to have that experience in the squad. We're pretty happy with the balance we've found.” The Canadian Rugby World Cup team will feature 30 players and 16 staff, including four support coaches in addition to Crowley. Canada has also named eight non-travelling standby players. From a staff perspective, team manager Rodger Swany said he was excited to see all the work off the field coming together as the 46-strong group prepares to travel for competition on the world stage. “It's been a journey for the last four years and we're getting to the pinnacle in our schedule,” Swany said. “Everyone has their roles within the team. The staff are familiar with each other and it's a good team we have. Just like the coaching staff and the players, it's important we get things right off the field.” The Canadian team faces a busy schedule, with fundraising events and training camps scheduled for Whistler and Nottawasaga prior to North American test matches in Toronto and Denver in August. The team then departs for Queensland, Australia mid August for the final training camp and games against the Queensland Selects and Australian Barbarians before flying to New Zealand. Canada faces Tonga, France, Japan and New Zealand in its 2011 Rugby World Cup pool. Canadian 2011 Rugby World Cup squad Forwards (Home town, top club, home club) Hookers Ryan Hamilton (Vancouver, BC, BC Bears/CRC, University of Victoria Vikes) Pat Riordan (Burnaby, BC, BC Bears/CRC, Burnaby) Props Hubert Buydens (Saskatoon, SK, Prairie Wolf Pack/CRC) Scott Franklin (Regina, SK, Prairie Wolf Pack/CRC, Castaway Wanderers) Jason Marshall (Vancouver, BC, BC Bears/CRC, Capilano) Andrew Tiedemann (St. Albert, AB, Prairie Wolf Pack/CRC, University of Victoria Vikes) Frank Walsh (St. John's, NL, The Rock/CRC, Vandals Rugby Club) Second Row Jamie Cudmore (Squamish, BC, ASM Clermont Auvergne/PRO, Capilano) Brian Erichsen (Vancouver, BC, B.C. Bears/CRC, Meralomas) Tyler Hotson (Vancouver, BC, Plymouth/PRO, UBC Old Boy Ravens) Back Row Aaron Carpenter (Brantford, ON, Plymouth Albion/PRO, Brantford Harlequins) Nanyak Dala (Saskatoon, SK, Prairie Wolf Pack/CRC, Saskatoon Wild Oat) Adam Kleeberger (White Rock,BC, Unattached, University of Victoria Vikes) Jeremy Kyne (Wellington, NZ/Edmonton, AB, Prairie Wolf Pack/CRC, Leprechaun Tiger R.F.C.) Chauncey O'Toole (Bell Isle, NB, The Rock/CRC, Castaway Wanderers) Jebb Sinclair (Fredericton, NB, The Rock/CRC, Castaway Wanderers) Backs Scrum-halves Ed Fairhurst (Victoria, BC, BC Bears/CRC, UBC Old Boy Ravens) Jamie Mackenzie (Oakville, ON, Esher/PRO, Oakville Crusaders) Sean White (Victoria, BC, BC Bears/CRC, James Bay AA) Fly-halves Nathan Hirayama (Richmond, BC, BC Bears/CRC, University of Victoria Vikes) Ander Monro (Victoria, BC, Ontario Blues/CRC, Castaway Wanderers) Centres Ryan Smith (Calgary, AB, Prairie Wolf Pack/CRC, Calgary Irish) Conor Trainor (Victoria, BC, BC Bears/CRC, UBC Old Boy Ravens) Phil Mackenzie (Oakville, ON, Esher/PRO, Oakville Crusaders) Mike Scholz (Oakville, ON, Ontario Blues/CRC, Oakville Crusaders) Wings DTH van der Merwe (Victoria, BC, Glasgow Warriors/PRO, James Bay AA) Ciaran Hearn (Conception Bay, NL, The Rock/CRC, Castaway Wanderers) Taylor Paris (Barrie, ON, Ontario Blues/CRC, Markham Irish Canadians) Fullbacks Matt Evans (Duncan, BC, Cowichan RFC) James Pritchard (Parkes, Australia, Bedford/PRO) Staff Coaching staff Kieran Crowley – Head coach Geraint John – Assistant coach Neil Barnes – Forwards coach Mike Shelley – Scrum coach Clive Griffiths – Defensive coach Management Rodger Swany – Team manager Peter Huigenbos – Analyst Calum Ramsay – Analyst Trevor Stone – Team services and logistics Tom Kennedy – Team media manager Medical Dr. Paul Watson – Team doctor Matt Barr – Strength and conditioning Carrie Smith – Head therapist Carla Brash – Therapist Anita Walsh – Therapist Michele Brown – Massage therapist

 

 

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NOBS WORLD "THIS SUNDAY"

A big event is planned this Sunday in Brampton to honour rugby great Millar Young.  The Nobs executive has decided to move our normal touch game that would be held in Burlington on Sunday to the Brampton Rugby Club so that everyone care take part in the day.  There should be a lot of old faces out there to honour Millar so come on out and take part.  Game time is 1pm.  Da Thug

FW: XLRFC - This Sunday - BIG EVENT !!

Good morning one and all, where ever you are in the Nobs World.  There is a big game this Sunday in Brampton in which one of the greats of Canadian rugby will be honored; Millar Young.  Ontario Rugby Hall of Fame member, the Reverend Freddie Miller will also be on hand for a special guest appearance.  This is to be a big day for old boys rugby so come on out and take part.  Da Thug

 

 

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Subject: XLRFC - This Sunday - BIG EVENT !!

 

OK ... you see these messages all season, and usually don't pay much mind. We know how life goes; get there when you can. It is now time, however, to make the effort...

XLs ARE HOSTING !!

This Sunday (July 10th), the XLs are hosting an "All-Comers" game at Brampton RFC. This day will include two special features...

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TRIBUTE TO MILLAR YOUNG

As you all know, Millar Young was a monumental figure in Ontario Rugby. After 16 years playing in the CFL, Millar turned his talents to rugby, most notably with the Toronto Scottish. Later, along with his administration and development work for Rugby Canada, Millar was an active supporter of Junior Rugby. He also found time to introduce and establish rugby in St. Lucia, founding the St. Lucia Rugby Football Club. Millar was inducted into the Rugby Ontario Hall of Fame in 2002, and his passing in January of this year was mourned across the country.

Millar was one of the "Founding Fathers" for the Toronto XLs. Not being content to let age take him away from playing, he was instrumental in forming our club and was a stalwart player for many years. As a spin-off of the XLs, the Niagara Old Boys of Burlington (NOBs) also recognize Millar as a direct founder. In fact, all "Old-Boys" players in Ontario today can thank Millar for helping keep them in the game.

This Sunday, Millar's wife Virginia (Gini) will be joining us for a small tribute to Millar. We hope you will all be there to help us toast his contributions and memory.

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A VISIT FROM REV. FREDDIE MILLER

This Sunday we will also be happy to welcome Rev. Freddie Miller for a visit. Also an inductee of the Ontario Rugby Hall of Fame, Freddie was a driving force in Ontario Rugby as a founder and/or administrator for many clubs, including the Nomads, Wanderers, Canucks, etc. ... and of course the XLs. Currently residing in Australia, and occasionally still lacing up the boots, Freddie is in Canada visiting family and friends. We are excited to see Freddie again, and hope you will all join us in saying hello.

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Date:                Sunday, July 10th

Time:    1:00 PM Kick-Off

Place:   Brampton RFC

Directions...

1. 401 - Exit 401 at 410 north. Take 410 north to the Derry Road exit. Turn left (west) on Derry Road. The first road is Kennedy; take Kennedy north to the Brampton fields. The fields are on the right (east) side of Kennedy, just north of the PowerAde hockey arena. NOTE: The entrance is kinda screwy ... you have to enter on the south side of the arena and follow the road around.
2. 403/QEW from West - East to 403 cut-off (at Oakville/Mississauga), stay on 403. Highway 403 ends at 401, turns into 410. Take 410 north, then proceed as above.
3. 401 - Exit 401 at 410 north, then proceed as above.
4. 407 - Exit 407 at Hurontario (Highway 10). South on Hurontario to Derry Road. East on Derry Road to Kennedy Road. Kennedy Road north, and proceed as above.

There is a map on the Brampton website ... http://www.rugbybrampton.com/AboutUs.html

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To all of our members and friends from other clubs, please pass this along and ... HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE!

The XLs